Writing: Rep. Jason Bron “faces the nation with Margaret Brennan,” November 23, 2025
The following is the transcript of the interview with the rep. Jason Crow, Democrat of Colorado, who was attacked “face the nation with Margaret Brennan” on November 23, 2025.
Margaret Brennan: And we’re joined here in the studio by Colorado Democratic Congressman Jason Crongress, who is one of the six legislators who released a pre-recorded video last week encouraging illegal members. Hello.
Jason Crow: Hello.
Margaret Brennan: And it was that video that sparked some of this rhetoric from the President. I want to talk about what is happening right now. I understand that there was a bomb threat at your office in Aurora, Colorado, that your family received death threats, even death threats. Here are some of your office releases.
[SOUND ON TAPE STARTS]Unidentified Person 1: I hope you all get killed.
Unknown Person 2: You’re not American, F *****, you’re a Communist
[SOUNDS ON TAPE ENDS]Margaret Brennan: These, I believe, are calls made to your office. Are there credible threats?
Representative Jason Crow: We don’t know, Margaret, we’re going to take these things seriously, but it’s very disturbing when you have the President of the United States threatening to hang and use this rhetoric, people listen. We have seen before the pattern of perverse, dangerous renewal of wisdom used by the President and then there are people who work with that. You know, I was alive and I got January 6, with great energy. He’s been doing this for years, saying things with complete disregard for the outcome, and what happens when he throws this thing into the world.
Margaret Brennan: Well, the President made these social media posts, but then he started making some of those threats back, saying he didn’t make death threats. He said that treason was often, in the past, punishable by death. And then, before you came here today, in the media community you took out the soldiers to disobey my orders, they should wake up big. There was no other interpretation. ” This is an estimate from what he put on the social media. Is there any idea what all these threats actually mean? Because he said in the discussions of the explanations of the military and referred to the DoJ.
Rep. Crow: No, we don’t know what this means. He does not know what this means because he is innocent. He works dangerously. He works in a visible way. There are two things going on here Margaret. The first is an illegal and dangerous rhetoric by the President of the United States threatening to kill members of Congress who disagree with him. But it has been said that when the members of the Congress remind the members of the constitution and their duty to obey our law, but it is only our responsibility, and it goes into the threat of violence and execution of the arrest. That tells you all you need to know about Donald Trump’s respect for the Constitution and the rule of law, and it really underscores our point.
Margaret Brennan: Well, let’s get to the content that you did in that video that you released because there are also 15 House Republicans who released veltans that released the video, including the Ore. General, Jack Bergman. Take this.
[ SOUND ON TAPE STARTS ]Rep. Jack Bergman (R-MI): troops. Listen. Any service member who refuses a valid order is subject to court-martial in violation of the uniform code of military justice.
Rep. August Pluger (R-TX): We study what is allowed and what is not allowed, and the Democrank Stunt insists that there are illegal or illegal orders. It is dangerous.
Rep. Scott Perry (R-PA): It increases. It is designed to degrade our country and weaken the military.
[ SOUND ON TAPE ENDS]Margaret Brennan: How do you respond to these accusations from your colleagues, some veterans, that what you’re putting out is weak and undermines the military?
Rep. ICROW: Well, these are, unfortunately, some Trump line supporters who are rallying behind the President, and they know better. They are well aware of the difference between legitimate comparisons. We were very clear in the video that we are talking about illegal orders. You have a spokesperson for the President who continues to hold a press conference this past week and says that we have called on people to disobey official orders. They just lie because the truth is not acceptable to them. He is not acceptable. We wanted to start a conversation, and we did, about the dangerous rhetoric this president uses and the threats made to use our military illegally.
Margaret Brennan: Exactly, what?
Rep. CROW: Send troops to Chicago, send troops to polling stations, kill terrorist families, arrest and deport, arrest and deport members of Congress—
Margaret Brennan: – He didn’t do those things.
Rep. ICROW: shooting peaceful protesters in Lafayette Square, they need me to continue? He has a history of doing this, and if we wait until he gives an illegal impression to a young soldier, then we have failed. We have to start that conversation now and get people thinking about the exact program we’ve done.
Margaret Brennan: Yeah, so those were the comments, not the orders that he gave and the social media posts and stuff, but I hear that- that word. But the standard of the forces, as I understand it, is that they have to consult an Advocate Maffident Advocate, a legal officer about orders, if they have legal questions. There is a process in place. Do you tell the rank and file soldiers to get out of that habit?
Rep. Crow: No, it’s not. Let me use an example of how this plays out and how this looks like going down, like say in a military battle–
Margaret Brennan: –Seah, because it sounds like you’re putting a lot of pressure on those people down there.
Rep. ICROW: I did three combat missions in Iraq and Afghanistan. And before that battle, I sat my soldiers down, my paratroopers and my attackers, and we talked about the law of war. We- we talked about the legal orders of legal comparison, about the protection of citizens in conflict, right? Because you can’t wait until the soldier is there and we have to make a split-second decision about what to do to train them, right? You have to talk about it. You have to train them beforehand, that’s why we released this video, to make people think about their responsibility. And all the threats and all the things that the President has said will be clearly visible and they will be the kinds of orders that people should not go through because they are killing things when in fact people are doing the things that Donald Trump is threatening.
Margaret Brennan: But we don’t know yet that the deployment of troops on US soil, if you’re referring to the deployment of the national guard in major US cities, is actually illegal. That is tied up in the courts right now.
Rep. Jason Crow: Yeah, we’re talking about the decision of the forces on the ground, in action, right? Their interface with the citizens, who shoot the citizens, go to the polling stations, which is a violation of the criminal law. Things that MA–
Margaret Brennan: – These things have happened, you’re afraid they will.
Rep. Jason Crow: – The military is clearly illegal, that our forces have been put in a position to accomplish, because that has what the President has repeatedly threatened to do. So again, it has been said a lot that simply repeating their responsibility in the Constitution and the law, which we always do with our service members, you get this kind of response from the Leader. You know, I am not threatened and intimidated by the President of the United States. I have a job to do, and that is to make sure people follow the law. I took an oath in this country. It is a lifetime vow that I intend to make, and I will not be intimidated and threatened by the president and stop reminding people to follow the law.
Margaret Brennan: But I’ve talked to attorneys about this, and military attorneys about this, and there’s some frustration, you know, that the riders haven’t gone into Washington and done their job with oversight. There are no feelings in Venezuela, they are not heard about those decisions of the national guard, and yet there are no videos in a situation that agrees with the lower forces to make their own decisions here in terms of law or talking about their training of workers, or talking to the workers of the labor judges. I mean this- Why don’t you post publicly so you can be heard before you call them?
Rep. ICRRE: First, two different stories. So to the ears, they are absolutely fine. We are pressuring the Trump administration to give us a hearing, to give us a hearing. Mike Johnson- Sinyeli Johnson, closed the deal twice, twice, to avoid votes on releasing the Epsterin files.
Margaret Brennan: She will oppose a Democrat who shuts down Congress to hold a health conference.–
Rep. CROW: It’s very clear what they did. I had come to DC So I’ve been at the conference for about seven years, and I’ve never seen a lack of leadership and oversight and the ability to get information. I am completely confined to DoD and the CIA at this time as a member of the intelligence committee and the armed services committee. So this management–
Margaret Brennan: – Don’t do that much because the Republican leadership in Congress doesn’t want those things.
Rep. Crow: right, right.
Margaret Brennan: so-
Rep. CROW: Congress has the power to do this, so they’re right. We need to do this. The Democrats are trying to do it. We are stonewalled and banned by the Republicans, banned by the administration, because we really don’t want to do oversight, because we’re afraid of what we’re going to learn. And that’s different, Margaret, than what we’re talking about, you know, effective decisions, decisions that should go to, you know, the war in the Caribbean, Venezuela, that are not on the mind of Congress. And Congress needs to make those decisions and they’re against it, it’s changing to–
Margaret Brennan: The White House says, oh it’s not an act of war. It knows, you know, foreign policy. And the President has some minor ones under the constitution. That is their argument.
Rep. CROW: Well, we’ve been hearing this for 25 years, which is why Iraq and Afghanistan went on for so long when they did. We spent $3 trillion, lost the lives of 7000 service members, and those ended badly. Congress has to make that decision. Congress needs to answer for it, and Congress needs to argue this in front of the American people, go to the American people, tell them why they should send their daughters and their hard earned dollars. This President does not want those processes to happen. And as someone who has served three tours of duty in these wars, I’ve already had enough of it to cut through.
Margaret Brennan: Well, you’ll see in some of our upcoming polling information that the American public would be very interested in information about the plans in Venezuela, which you’ve been heading there. Congressman Crow, thank you.
